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+ | The {{USS|Defiant|NCC-1764| (NCC-1764)}} was named after this ship, and had a painting of it in its [[briefing room]]. ({{ENT|In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II}}) |
| + | Both the {{USS|Defiant|2370| (NX-74205)}} and its successor, the {{USS|Defiant|2375}}, were namesakes in the [[24th century]]. ({{DS9|Defiant}}) |
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| − | :''Interestingly, there never was a real HMS ''Defiant''. When writing "In a Mirror, Darkly Part II", the writers did a Google search for an "HMS ''Defiant''", and mistook a website on the ''Defiant'' from the movie "[[Wikipedia:HMS Defiant|Damn the Defiant!]]" for a real ship.'' |
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| − | The above idea, however, does not allow for the possibility that the ''Defiant'' portrayed in ''In a Mirror, Darkly'', was from a different alternate universe that strongly resembled our own, but in which an HMS ''Defiant'' was part of the Royal Navy. |
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| + | While there has been a long line of British naval vessels to bear the name ''Defiance'', including a torpedo school ship and three United States naval vessels, there never was an HMS ''Defiant'' serving in the [[Royal Navy]] in real life. A fictional ''Defiant'' was seen in the 1962 movie ''{{w|Damn The Defiant!}}'' (based on the Frank Tilsey novel ''Mutiny''), which may have been the namesake for the {{class|Constitution}} [[starship]]. |
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| + | The painting depicted a {{w|ship-of-the-line}} warship. Dependent on the number of guns, a ship-of-the-line was ranked from first-rate (greatest number of guns) to fourth-rate (lowest number of guns). Based on the number of gun decks visible, three in total, in the painting, the ''Defiant'' was either a first-rate or a second-rate ship. The difference between a first-rate and a second-rate could be as few as two guns (though firing lighter shot) and, without knowing more about the ''Defiant'', it's not possible to conclusively decide the ship's rating. The six real ships named {{w|HMS Defiance|HMS ''Defiance''}} that served during the 18th century were all third-rate or smaller. |
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HMS Defiant
The HMS Defiant was a British warship from the 18th century.
The USS Defiant (NCC-1764) was named after this ship, and had a painting of it in its briefing room. (ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II")
Both the USS Defiant (NX-74205) and its successor, the USS Defiant, were namesakes in the 24th century. (DS9: "Defiant")
Background information
While there has been a long line of British naval vessels to bear the name Defiance, including a torpedo school ship and three United States naval vessels, there never was an HMS Defiant serving in the Royal Navy in real life. A fictional Defiant was seen in the 1962 movie Damn The Defiant! (based on the Frank Tilsey novel Mutiny), which may have been the namesake for the Constitution-class starship.
The painting depicted a ship-of-the-line warship. Dependent on the number of guns, a ship-of-the-line was ranked from first-rate (greatest number of guns) to fourth-rate (lowest number of guns). Based on the number of gun decks visible, three in total, in the painting, the Defiant was either a first-rate or a second-rate ship. The difference between a first-rate and a second-rate could be as few as two guns (though firing lighter shot) and, without knowing more about the Defiant, it's not possible to conclusively decide the ship's rating. The six real ships named HMS Defiance that served during the 18th century were all third-rate or smaller.