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== In-universe categories ==
 
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==="Capital cities"===
=== Holograms (disambig) ===
 
 
A category to group together all of the [[capital city|capital cities]] mentioned in ''Star Trek''. In addition to all of Earth's capitals, there are a few more references from other planets which could also be included. --| [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Open a channel</span>]]</sup> 20:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
[[Vic Fontaine]] ''is not'' Human. He's a Hologram, just ask him yourself. Since the species categories are "is" categories, Holograms shouldn't be directly in other species categories.
 
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:But how many Earth capitals were explicitly described that way? And you can't just add cities because ''we'' know they are capitals, because if you add Washington, then why not Philladelphia and NYC etc. Subsequently, this seems a category that may be more trouble then it's worth; not all that many cities will be placed there, but you'll have to be constantly vigilant because well-meaning people will incorrectly add cities they know to be capitals from real world sources. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 15:25, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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True, but there are numerous mentions of capital cities on alien worlds. For example, [[Stratos]], [[Paradise City]], [[Angosian capital city]] and [[First City]], not to mention the Earth capital city articles that mention they are capitals of countries in the text. --| [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Open a channel</span>]]</sup> 17:09, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::'''Oppose'''. I think a list of capital cities on the article would be sufficient. As Capricorn said this category could create constant edit wars on some city articles. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 18:20, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::'''Oppose'''. -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 00:05, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
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===Processes/methods of doing something===
Vic would be categorized as "Holograms (Human)" and that category would be in both Holograms and Humans, for searching purposes. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 07:11, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
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See [[milling]] and [[tempering]], for example. These are things that would be done to metal objects. As a skill set, or discipline, or something...can't think of the word right now. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:07, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
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:Arguably under the current logic this might belong under category:events, though that feels like an awkward fit. So, what about having a category:activities? That's probably a bit wider then you imagined, but it's something that we don't have yet and might be useful. It could fit nicely under category:Events and contain loads of things that almost but not quite fit there (mining, cooking, sex, death, etc). {{unsigned|Capricorn}}
:But is that useful enough to justify a huge number of new barely populated categories, and a whole new level of complexity? You'd have thins like Category:Holograms (fly), with [[Roy]] as the sole member. And maybe even categories in the format of Category:Holograms (xyz's species). Plus if this is needed then there's no real reason not to do the same with fictional characters. Or you could even have a Category:Unreferenced Material (Humans). I'm not gonna formally vote because I'm not all that involved in categories, but holograms are just holograms, methinks. Vic would probably just find a coy way of saying no if you'd flat out ask him if he was Human. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 08:04, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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That makes sense. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:27, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
I tend to agree, but since there are a fair number of pages in two species categories, that aren't hybrids, this was my solution without simply removing the "looks like" category. I'm not advocating for a sub-cat for Roy either, since I'm assuming that the rational originally was to make it easier to find actors or actresses if you only remember the amount of rubber attached to their face, which is why "he" isn't in animals as well as holograms. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 00:53, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
::'''Oppose'''. In my opinion this is not necessary. The way it is now, listing them first in the Category:Holograms and second in the category of the species represented is way enough instead of creating xxx subcategories which will make it harder to navigate through the category tree. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 22:17, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::Did I get this right? Death in a "Category:Activities"? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 18:02, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
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Well, maybe not death, but the '''''skilled''''' actions such as I listed above would qualify. I asked on yahoo answers, and the suggestions were "processes" and "verbs". Thinking now, how about "techniques" or "practices" or "methods"? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 18:05, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
I'd rather loose the "looks like" categories on these pages than keep things the way they are, since the "is" connection between the page and the non-Hologram category simply isn't there. The "looks like" categories aren't necessary enough to muddle up categories other than the Hologram one, and I don't want to set a precedent where [[Arne Darvin]] could be in [[:Category:Humans]]. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 22:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::'''Oppose''' for the reasons stated above. I don't think it's necessary. --| [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Open a channel</span>]]</sup> 20:03, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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:Yeah sorry, death doesn't belong there, that wasn't thought through. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 18:47, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
I'll begin removing the incorrect categories shortly then. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 19:27, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
 
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::What about actions resulting in death (i.e. [[suicide]])? [[User:31dot|31dot]] ([[User talk:31dot|talk]]) 20:04, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Suicide would fit I think, though for example accident (if we had such an article) would not, since the first is something one undertakes while the second is not. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 15:34, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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We any closer to doing this? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:47, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
==="Capital cities"===
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==="Rooms" subcategory?===
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Are there enough rooms to make "rooms" a subcategory of "locations"? [[Bedroom]], [[kitchen]], [[courtroom]], etc... --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:56, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
A category to group together all of the [[capital city|capital cities]] mentioned in ''Star Trek''. In addition to all of Earth's capitals, there are a few more references from other planets which could also be included. --| [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Open a channel</span>]]</sup> 20:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Maybe something more far reaching like "Category:Indoor locations"? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 20:41, June 21, 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah, that could work. Would it be more for structures in a grounded building as opposed to, say, the chapel on the Enterprise? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:For locations like this one we have [[:Category:Starship sections]]. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 15:18, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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True. But what constitutes a section? Any area? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:20, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:A section on a starship features every section, including a bedroom when the starship has such a section though the bedroom is also part of the [[quarters]]. We have [[:Category:Starship sections]], [[:Category:Station sections]], and [[:Category:Locations]] with all the sub-categories. The missing category here is about indoor locations on a planet but not on a facility, station, etc. Am I get this right? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 13:30, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes. And [[bedroom]]s would qualify when it's, say, Jadzia Dax's childhood bedroom which probably wasn't on a starship or station. If some of the instances of a location are on ships, stations, etc, and some are ''not'', then would both "indoor locations" and starship or station section be categories? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 13:34, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
== Production POV categories ==
 
== Production POV categories ==

Revision as of 13:34, 27 June 2015

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In-universe categories

"Capital cities"

A category to group together all of the capital cities mentioned in Star Trek. In addition to all of Earth's capitals, there are a few more references from other planets which could also be included. --| TrekFan Open a channel 20:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

But how many Earth capitals were explicitly described that way? And you can't just add cities because we know they are capitals, because if you add Washington, then why not Philladelphia and NYC etc. Subsequently, this seems a category that may be more trouble then it's worth; not all that many cities will be placed there, but you'll have to be constantly vigilant because well-meaning people will incorrectly add cities they know to be capitals from real world sources. -- Capricorn (talk) 15:25, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

True, but there are numerous mentions of capital cities on alien worlds. For example, Stratos, Paradise City, Angosian capital city and First City, not to mention the Earth capital city articles that mention they are capitals of countries in the text. --| TrekFan Open a channel 17:09, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. I think a list of capital cities on the article would be sufficient. As Capricorn said this category could create constant edit wars on some city articles. Tom (talk) 18:20, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. -- Renegade54 (talk) 00:05, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Processes/methods of doing something

See milling and tempering, for example. These are things that would be done to metal objects. As a skill set, or discipline, or something...can't think of the word right now. --LauraCC (talk) 16:07, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Arguably under the current logic this might belong under category:events, though that feels like an awkward fit. So, what about having a category:activities? That's probably a bit wider then you imagined, but it's something that we don't have yet and might be useful. It could fit nicely under category:Events and contain loads of things that almost but not quite fit there (mining, cooking, sex, death, etc). The preceding unsigned comment was added by Capricorn (talkcontribs).

That makes sense. --LauraCC (talk) 17:27, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Did I get this right? Death in a "Category:Activities"? Tom (talk) 18:02, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, maybe not death, but the skilled actions such as I listed above would qualify. I asked on yahoo answers, and the suggestions were "processes" and "verbs". Thinking now, how about "techniques" or "practices" or "methods"? --LauraCC (talk) 18:05, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah sorry, death doesn't belong there, that wasn't thought through. -- Capricorn (talk) 18:47, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
What about actions resulting in death (i.e. suicide)? 31dot (talk) 20:04, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Suicide would fit I think, though for example accident (if we had such an article) would not, since the first is something one undertakes while the second is not. -- Capricorn (talk) 15:34, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

We any closer to doing this? --LauraCC (talk) 16:47, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

"Rooms" subcategory?

Are there enough rooms to make "rooms" a subcategory of "locations"? Bedroom, kitchen, courtroom, etc... --LauraCC (talk) 15:56, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe something more far reaching like "Category:Indoor locations"? Tom (talk) 20:41, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that could work. Would it be more for structures in a grounded building as opposed to, say, the chapel on the Enterprise? --LauraCC (talk) 15:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

For locations like this one we have Category:Starship sections. Tom (talk) 15:18, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

True. But what constitutes a section? Any area? --LauraCC (talk) 15:20, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

A section on a starship features every section, including a bedroom when the starship has such a section though the bedroom is also part of the quarters. We have Category:Starship sections, Category:Station sections, and Category:Locations with all the sub-categories. The missing category here is about indoor locations on a planet but not on a facility, station, etc. Am I get this right? Tom (talk) 13:30, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. And bedrooms would qualify when it's, say, Jadzia Dax's childhood bedroom which probably wasn't on a starship or station. If some of the instances of a location are on ships, stations, etc, and some are not, then would both "indoor locations" and starship or station section be categories? --LauraCC (talk) 13:34, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Production POV categories

Collectible companies

For pages in both Category:Collectibles and Category:Companies. - Archduk3 00:31, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- sulfur (talk) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: Johnny Lightning could be split to Legends of Star Trek (standard releases) and Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases) or just Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning). We could also just have a Johnny Lightning catalog or Johnny Lightning merchandise page, which would might make more sense for pages like Genki Wear and Kraft, which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - Archduk3 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Support, though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose Johnny Lightning product lines instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--Sennim (talk) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)

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