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== In-universe categories ==
 
== In-universe categories ==
===Processes/methods of doing something===
 
See [[milling]] and [[tempering]], for example. These are things that would be done to metal objects. As a skill set, or discipline, or something...can't think of the word right now. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:07, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Production POV categories ==
:Arguably under the current logic this might belong under category:events, though that feels like an awkward fit. So, what about having a category:activities? That's probably a bit wider then you imagined, but it's something that we don't have yet and might be useful. It could fit nicely under category:Events and contain loads of things that almost but not quite fit there (mining, cooking, sex, death, etc). {{unsigned|Capricorn}}
 
 
=== Collectible companies ===
 
For pages in both [[:Category:Collectibles]] and [[:Category:Companies]]. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 00:31, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: [[Johnny Lightning]] could be split to [[Legends of Star Trek (standard releases)]] and [[Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases)]] or just [[Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning)]]. We could also just have a [[Johnny Lightning catalog]] or [[Johnny Lightning merchandise]] page, which would might make more sense for pages like [[Genki Wear]] and [[Kraft]], which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
That makes sense. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:27, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
 
::'''Support''', though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose [[Johnny Lightning product lines]] instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] ([[User talk:Sennim|talk]]) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)
::Did I get this right? Death in a "Category:Activities"? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 18:02, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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===Suicide Category===
Well, maybe not death, but the '''''skilled''''' actions such as I listed above would qualify. I asked on yahoo answers, and the suggestions were "processes" and "verbs". Thinking now, how about "techniques" or "practices" or "methods"? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 18:05, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
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There are at least four Star Trek actors who committed suicide. A category for these unfortunate events should be added. i created one on my own initiative, however it was immediately deleted and I was directed here. I recommend:
   
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"Category:Performer suicides"
:Yeah sorry, death doesn't belong there, that wasn't thought through. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 18:47, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
::What about actions resulting in death (i.e. [[suicide]])? [[User:31dot|31dot]] ([[User talk:31dot|talk]]) 20:04, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Suicide would fit I think, though for example accident (if we had such an article) would not, since the first is something one undertakes while the second is not. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 15:34, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
 
We any closer to doing this? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:47, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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Thank you. -[[User:Commodore75|Commodore75]] ([[User talk:Commodore75|talk]]) 18:02, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
==="Rooms" subcategory?===
 
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:'''Strong Oppose'''. Not a useful or beneficial grouping of articles. The nature of their deaths is not related to their having appeared in ''Star Trek''. Readers will therefore not be provided with a helpful navigational device with such a collection, which categories are intended to provide. Most importantly, I feel such a category is highly inappropriate. -- [[User:DarkHorizon|Michael Warren]] | [[User talk:DarkHorizon|''Talk'']] 21:39, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
Are there enough rooms to make "rooms" a subcategory of "locations"? [[Bedroom]], [[kitchen]], [[courtroom]], etc... --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:56, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Maybe something more far reaching like "Category:Indoor locations"? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 20:41, June 21, 2015 (UTC)
 
Yeah, that could work. Would it be more for structures in a grounded building as opposed to, say, the chapel on the Enterprise? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 
:For locations like this one we have [[:Category:Starship sections]]. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 15:18, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 
True. But what constitutes a section? Any area? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 15:20, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 
:A section on a starship features every section, including a bedroom when the starship has such a section though the bedroom is also part of the [[quarters]]. We have [[:Category:Starship sections]], [[:Category:Station sections]], and [[:Category:Locations]] with all the sub-categories. The missing category here is about indoor locations on a planet but not on a facility, station, etc. Am I get this right? [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 13:30, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
 
Yes. And [[bedroom]]s would qualify when it's, say, Jadzia Dax's childhood bedroom which probably wasn't on a starship or station. If some of the instances of a location are on ships, stations, etc, and some are ''not'', then would both "indoor locations" and starship or station section be categories? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 13:34, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
 
:I am still not sure about a possible name. Maybe we'll go along with the image category [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (building interiors)]]? {{unsigned|ThomasHL}}
 
   
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:'''Oppose'''. What DH said. How is this any different than, say, "LGBT performers" or even "Performers who drove Porsches"? Not encyclopedic, fannish, morbid, and not necessary. -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 01:36, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
===Medical tests===
 
A medical procedure would be like a surgery such as [[Tonsillectomy]], whereas a test would things like [[blood count]] and [[biopsy]]s. Are there enough to justify this? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:33, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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:'''Support''': From an academic standpoint, a category like that would be interesting. I read once that something like seven to ten Star Trek actors have committed suicide - I wonder why? Anyway, I think saying its morbid or inappropriate sounds a bit like censorship, but I can understand the feelings. BTW, an LGBT category would be interesting too - are there any openly gay Star Trek actors? On a side note, I once had the privilege of meeting Roger Carmel around 1985 and he was an ''incredibly'' nice man. I was very distressed to hear later that he killed himself only to be relieved after reading here that people today believe he died of a heart attack. -[[User:FleetCaptain|Fleet Captain]] October 2, 2015
== Production POV categories ==
 
=== Collectible companies ===
 
For pages in both [[:Category:Collectibles]] and [[:Category:Companies]]. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 00:31, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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:'''Oppose'''. Currently actors are not categorized based on the facts of their personnel lives, if you really want to make a major shift in what we do, why on Earth start with something so controversial and privacy-intrusive? Why not at the very least gently test the waters by creating "Category:Deceased performers" (and hey, that one might actually be useful anyway) and see how well that goes. In any case, I think this can only end well as part of a wider effort: if the only way we categorized the private lives of performers would be by if they committed suicide or not, then that would have the unintended effect of being highly stigmatizing. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 07:24, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: [[Johnny Lightning]] could be split to [[Legends of Star Trek (standard releases)]] and [[Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases)]] or just [[Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning)]]. We could also just have a [[Johnny Lightning catalog]] or [[Johnny Lightning merchandise]] page, which would might make more sense for pages like [[Genki Wear]] and [[Kraft]], which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
 
:'''Oppose'''. Per reasons listed above. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 09:40, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
::'''Support''', though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose [[Johnny Lightning product lines]] instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] ([[User talk:Sennim|talk]]) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)
 
   
 
== Maintenance categories ==
 
== Maintenance categories ==
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=== Subcategories of Spaceship interiors ===
 
Things like "spaceship bridges" "spaceship engineering sections", etc. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:56, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
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:While I am not completely a fan of this idea I see the need to break down the [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship interiors)]] otherwise it will get crowded more and more. I am opposing a general breakdown and think that only the main areas need a subcategory, like
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:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship bridge interiors)]]
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:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship sickbay interiors)]]
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:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship engineering interiors)]]
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:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship quarters interiors)]]
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:Maybe I am missing one or two but I don't think a category for every corner, corridor or section is required. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 17:46, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah, that was my point. Maybe Recreation interiors for holodeck/rec room or laboratory interiors as well? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:55, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
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::Note that we don't need to put "spaceship interiors" on every single image that shows a bit of the interior, such as was done on [[:File:Euphoria.jpg]]. It shows no interior of value. That's not the focus of the image. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 17:58, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
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My apologies. Invariably it seems that when I miss one, someone adds it. I just thought it was an aid if someone's looking for pictures from indoors. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 18:02, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

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Collectible companies

For pages in both Category:Collectibles and Category:Companies. - Archduk3 00:31, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- sulfur (talk) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: Johnny Lightning could be split to Legends of Star Trek (standard releases) and Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases) or just Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning). We could also just have a Johnny Lightning catalog or Johnny Lightning merchandise page, which would might make more sense for pages like Genki Wear and Kraft, which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - Archduk3 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Support, though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose Johnny Lightning product lines instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--Sennim (talk) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)

Suicide Category

There are at least four Star Trek actors who committed suicide. A category for these unfortunate events should be added. i created one on my own initiative, however it was immediately deleted and I was directed here. I recommend:

"Category:Performer suicides"

Thank you. -Commodore75 (talk) 18:02, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Strong Oppose. Not a useful or beneficial grouping of articles. The nature of their deaths is not related to their having appeared in Star Trek. Readers will therefore not be provided with a helpful navigational device with such a collection, which categories are intended to provide. Most importantly, I feel such a category is highly inappropriate. -- Michael Warren | Talk 21:39, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. What DH said. How is this any different than, say, "LGBT performers" or even "Performers who drove Porsches"? Not encyclopedic, fannish, morbid, and not necessary. -- Renegade54 (talk) 01:36, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
Support: From an academic standpoint, a category like that would be interesting. I read once that something like seven to ten Star Trek actors have committed suicide - I wonder why? Anyway, I think saying its morbid or inappropriate sounds a bit like censorship, but I can understand the feelings. BTW, an LGBT category would be interesting too - are there any openly gay Star Trek actors? On a side note, I once had the privilege of meeting Roger Carmel around 1985 and he was an incredibly nice man. I was very distressed to hear later that he killed himself only to be relieved after reading here that people today believe he died of a heart attack. -Fleet Captain October 2, 2015
Oppose. Currently actors are not categorized based on the facts of their personnel lives, if you really want to make a major shift in what we do, why on Earth start with something so controversial and privacy-intrusive? Why not at the very least gently test the waters by creating "Category:Deceased performers" (and hey, that one might actually be useful anyway) and see how well that goes. In any case, I think this can only end well as part of a wider effort: if the only way we categorized the private lives of performers would be by if they committed suicide or not, then that would have the unintended effect of being highly stigmatizing. -- Capricorn (talk) 07:24, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. Per reasons listed above. Tom (talk) 09:40, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Maintenance categories

Subcategories of Spaceship interiors

Things like "spaceship bridges" "spaceship engineering sections", etc. --LauraCC (talk) 16:56, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

While I am not completely a fan of this idea I see the need to break down the Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship interiors) otherwise it will get crowded more and more. I am opposing a general breakdown and think that only the main areas need a subcategory, like
  • Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship bridge interiors)
  • Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship sickbay interiors)
  • Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship engineering interiors)
  • Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship quarters interiors)
Maybe I am missing one or two but I don't think a category for every corner, corridor or section is required. Tom (talk) 17:46, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my point. Maybe Recreation interiors for holodeck/rec room or laboratory interiors as well? --LauraCC (talk) 17:55, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Note that we don't need to put "spaceship interiors" on every single image that shows a bit of the interior, such as was done on File:Euphoria.jpg. It shows no interior of value. That's not the focus of the image. -- sulfur (talk) 17:58, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

My apologies. Invariably it seems that when I miss one, someone adds it. I just thought it was an aid if someone's looking for pictures from indoors. --LauraCC (talk) 18:02, September 30, 2015 (UTC)