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Various lacking-correct-citation images

Image:Photon-torpedo.jpg

Copyright infringment, taken from "Star Trek: The Magazine" issue 3 I believe. It's not really anything we can't get from Generations, Star Trek: II, Star Trek: VI, or one of the funeral appearances. So Delete and Replace. - AJ Halliwell 18:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Delete'/replace with image of torpedo from Star Trek II or VI. --From Andoria with Love 13:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Rom.JPG

This ones really annoyed me for sometime. It looks almost like a painting?! And it doesn't look like a screencap, or a publicity photo. So can someone replace this with a publicity photo, or appropriate screencap so we can get rid of this. - AJ Halliwell 18:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Sisko2375.jpg

Again, this looks odd - white background, maybe during filming of a "prophet-vision"? We can get a publicity or screencap, and fill in the copyright. So replace and delete - AJ Halliwell 18:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

According to Jörg, this is a publicity photo. It's likely for DS9 Season 7. So, I think we can keep it, but if someone knos of a better image (I'm sure there is one), by all means... --From Andoria with Love 13:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Titan.jpg

Unlike the others, this isn't a keeper. This is a "real" NASA photo, and even though it's in the public domain, we usually prefer just Star Trek images I believe. ("Isaac Asimov" certainly doesn't have a picture, despite being a real person. Cause he was never seen on ST) So I say Delete. - AJ Halliwell 18:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Misc images

The following are unused images that are neither screencaps, have copyright issues, or do not have a directly useful purpose. --Alan del Beccio 23:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:40th anniversary logo.jpg
  • Keep for now. I'm working on something that will use this. -- Renegade54 04:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:STTMPFontPatent.jpg
  • Delete. I think this was the first attempt to get an image of the patent up, and another was loaded by me later. Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:DevoreShuttle06.jpg
Image:TheoBleckmann.jpg
Image:RORKavok.jpg
Image:Tng phaser type1.jpg
  • Delete all, with extreme prejudice! >D Let the summer cleaning commence. (EDIT:) Well, keep Renegade's if he finishes said project in a 'timely' manner... - AJ Halliwell 23:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all as well, except for the 40th anniversary logo. --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Other

Unused, poor quality or duplicitive images. All taking up space and found on the unused file page. --Alan del Beccio 23:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Lifeforms

Image:St farpointjelly.jpg
Image:Tpol and trip in shuttle.jpg
Image:Lassie.jpg
  • keep --Bp 23:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Why? I don't see Lassie, I see a white shadow of a dog and two boys running. We shouldn't assume this is something unless there is evidence suggesting it as such. We already had this discussion regarding not-Gozilla. --Alan del Beccio 21:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It is a frame form "Lassie's Resuce Rangers" a filmation cartoon. The image is used in the Background Information section of One of Our Planets Is Missing to illistrate the note "The shots of colony life are taken from stock footage of the animated series Lassie's Rescue Rangers, another 1973 Filmation TV show...", A completely legitimate purpose. --Bp 02:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Keep. Think of it as the "Look Who's Talking" or "Event Horizon (movie)" of TAS. We won't create a "Lassie's Rescue Rangers"-page (at least I won't ;-)) but I think it is interesting background info for the "One of Our Planets Is Missing page nonetheless. --Jörg 09:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. If this is indeed a screenshot from the show, then I can see this being kept in the Background section. Agree with Jorg. (Boy, did I not know we had articles on those movies!) - AJ Halliwell 06:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Heater.jpg
  • Tommy gun is full, so unless there is room on the character showing the gun's page...--Alan del Beccio 23:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • keep many guns. useful somehow. --Bp 23:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I have not seen this episode in many many years, is this an important scene? Cause the Episode summary is kind of bare of pictures, if this is important enough, it can be used there. (although "many guns, useful somehow" is certainly not a good fighting argument ;-)) - AJ Halliwell 06:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Grinning1.jpg
Image:Crellmoset.jpg
  • We might be able to use this one as the "Nothing Human" episode image until a better one comes along. I think an image of Torres with that creature attached to her would be better, though. Eh, whatever, delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. I think there are better images out there for the summary. And this one appears to have been taken from ST.com. - AJ Halliwell 06:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Pechetti-stolzoff-ca2373.jpg
Image:Mirrortravis.JPG
Image:MirrorTpol.jpg
Image:Harrad-sar.jpg
  • Delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • DELETE! I've hated this image from day one. We could always put it under "eye vains" or "nostril hair" in the Orion physiology section. (<Sarcasm.) - AJ Halliwell 06:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Bareil.jpg
Image:Worf and garak (mirror universe) - screen capture from \'Shattered Mirror\'.jpg

Planets, ships and things

Image:EmergenceJigsaw2.jpg
Image:TOS planet viewscreen.jpg
  • Not sure, but isn't this the exact image that was uploaded under a generic title to prevent duplicate images in the first place? If so, keep and put it to use instead of the other images... -- Cid Highwind 23:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Image of the planet is better then it on the viewscreen. - AJ Halliwell 06:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Voyager in nebula, year of hell.jpg
Image:Vidiian warship.jpg
  • keep for now. --Bp 23:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Is this the same ship as Vidiian starship? If so, delete. If not, replace with a better image, as I know there were better images of that ship in that ep. (If need be, I'll cap it) - AJ Halliwell 06:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Alpha Carinae II.jpg
Image:Starfleet UESPA.JPG
  • keep better view than current one. maybe. --Bp 23:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Current image is the way it was seen in the episode, on the floor. This is a publicity image of the set piece against a wall. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, agreed with Shran. (This came from ST.com by the way) - AJ Halliwell 06:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:Magellan2.jpg
  • I see no evidence that this is the Magellan. --Alan del Beccio 23:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Although we're sure there's no dialogue saying so? - AJ Halliwell 06:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Not so fair use

Image:Fed cheyenne.jpg

  • I don't believe the below images are truely *fair use* since they are not screen caps and more than likely (or do) come from a published source. --Alan del Beccio 23:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Although it'd be nice to have an image of it somehow. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fed new orleans.jpg

  • I don't believe this image is truely *fair use* since it is not a screen cap and (more than likely) comes from a published source. Also rather poor quality. --Alan del Beccio 23:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep This image comes from the Star Trek Encyclopedia, a Memory-Alpha permitted resource. This image is still better quality than the actual on-screen image. User:Ensign q

The Encyclopedia is a permitted resource to use for information in articles. I don't believe the same applies to images. In any case, there's still the case of copyrights that Alan mentioned above. --From Andoria with Love 12:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- i consulted a lawyer about the legality of using images: here's what he had to say when i asked about using small clips of published artwork: Fair use might be a less than appropriate claim were we to post an entire run, or most of a run. But like a frame from a film, or an excerpt from a comic book, a portion is acceptable for fair use given the research and non-commercial nature of the site. If you would like to discuss the removal of all comic excerpts, including the comic books, and all film clip samples, let's move the discussion to a more appropriate place than here. But I think it is okay. (Fairly obviously, or I wouldn't do it!) -- Captain M.K.B. 23:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm not sure who this lawyer is, but reproduction of an image for our own encylopedia is very different than using part of a comic to write a review. -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Please see discussion and explanation on the Ptolemy image. Aholland 10:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fed sabre.jpg

Image:Fed steamrunner.jpg

Image:Fed sydney.jpg

  • I don't believe this image is truely *fair use* since it is not a screen cap and (more than likely) comes from a published source. --Alan del Beccio 23:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ptolemy class.jpg

  • For much the same reason as above, Image:Ptolemy class.jpg is a slightly manipulated version of the interior of the Star Fleet Technical Manual. It is not fair use and should be removed. Aholland 01:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- i consulted a lawyer about the legality of using images: here's what he had to say when i asked about using small clips of published artwork: Fair use might be a less than appropriate claim were we to post an entire run, or most of a run. But like a frame from a film, or an excerpt from a comic book, a portion is acceptable for fair use given the research and non-commercial nature of the site. If you would like to discuss the removal of all comic excerpts, including the comic books, and all film clip samples, let's move the discussion to a more appropriate place than here. But I think it is okay. (Fairly obviously, or I wouldn't do it!) -- Captain M.K.B. 23:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Please do not characterize my comments on my having posted a segment of a comic strip as legal consultation. I have not provided legal consultation to either you or this site and I truly am shocked that you would characterize it as such. My opinion as a mere user is that posting the interior illustrations of books in the way proposed is not fair use under U.S. Copyright Law. There is a significant legal difference between one frame or even one three-panel strip of a comic strip that lasts for months where you are commenting upon the strip and an entire page from a published text where there is no substantive discussion of the book itself. The difference may appear subtle, but it is real. Suffice to say: a frame of film is probably okay; a frame from a comic book is probably okay; a single comic strip from an arc of dozens where you are commenting on the work is probably okay; interior illustrations from published books where you are using the illustration not to discuss the work but to decorate an article is probably NOT okay. If you would like, I can ask the question of Franz Joseph Designs (or the current copyright holder if it was assigned at some point, which I doubt) and get a definitive answer as to whether they mind if we appropriate their work in this manner, but I suspect that the injunction that would be slapped against Memory Alpha and the attention it would gather from other copyright holders would not be in the best interests of this site. Please advise (1) whether I should seek their opinion or (2) whether the image should be placed back up for deletion. And please, in future, do not mischaracterize my opinions like this again. Aholland 23:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Aholland is right on. -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. And might I add, wow. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:New Orleans class.jpg

  • I don't believe this image is truely *fair use* since it is not a screen cap and (more than likely) comes from a published source. Also rather poor quality. --Alan del Beccio 21:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This image comes from the Star Trek Encyclopedia, a Memory-Alpha permitted resource. This image is still better quality than the actual on-screen image.

User:Ensign q

  • The Encyclopedia is a permitted resource to use for information in articles. I don't believe the same applies to images. In any case, there's still the case of copyrights that Alan mentioned above. --From Andoria with Love 12:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- i consulted a lawyer about the legality of using images: here's what he had to say when i asked about using small clips of published artwork: Fair use might be a less than appropriate claim were we to post an entire run, or most of a run. But like a frame from a film, or an excerpt from a comic book, a portion is acceptable for fair use given the research and non-commercial nature of the site. If you would like to discuss the removal of all comic excerpts, including the comic books, and all film clip samples, let's move the discussion to a more appropriate place than here. But I think it is okay. (Fairly obviously, or I wouldn't do it!) -- Captain M.K.B. 23:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. See above. -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Please see discussion and explanation on the Ptolemy image. Aholland 10:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Norway quarter.jpg

  • I don't believe this image is truely *fair use* since it is not a screen cap and (more than likely) comes from a published source. --Alan del Beccio 21:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, I believe this is from one of the magazines, all of which sell back copies. -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Pasteur model.jpg

  • I don't believe this image is truely *fair use* since it is not a screen cap and (more than likely) comes from a published source. Also rather poor quality. --Alan del Beccio 21:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Its also uneeded and orphaned. -- Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 01:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- Cid Highwind 11:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, although if the image is wanted for it's "as-a-model" quality, a very similar image can be screencapped from TNG Season 2 DVD special features. - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete --Jörg 08:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Hermes class.jpg

In keeping with the general housecleaning up above: Image:Hermes class.jpg - It is currently orphaned, with nothing linking to it. It is also not used pursuant to "fair use" due to its source (the Star Fleet Technical Manual) and the manner of its display in the past. Aholland 17:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Is there any way we can crop the image as such to use the portion viewed in the movie to better represent what otherwise appears as a blur in a screencap to give the reader a general idea what the ship class looks like? --Alan del Beccio 14:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think so given the context of its use - however, if someone would like to draw a Hermes class themselves, so long as it is not essentially a copy of the Joseph drawing (perhaps a 3/4 angled view?) and post it here giving away the rights in it, that would work just fine I believe. I would try, but my artistic skills are . . . shall we say lacking. Aholland 21:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral. Hm, at this rate, I'm almost willing to agree with the user who said (somewhere on this page) that maybe we should just contact Franz Joseph or whoever the current copyright owner is and ask permission to use these images. Oh, um, for future reference, Mr. Joseph died in 1994. I think I like Gv's plan to crop what we saw, although-- still from a book. Also listed is if it's used in an indepth summary of the book itself, it's okay. Would it be possible for someone to write an indepth summary of the book, use these pics, and then use'm on the pages? (Cheating, yes; but if you can't out think a think tank, don't try...) - AJ Halliwell 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    • In theory, you could possibly write a summary of the book in which you discuss its history, influence and the like. You might be able to put in some cropped images from it to illustrate your points in that article. However, you would most likely not be able to get away with including each ship class created, or even all images of a single ship's class (like an entire page). And you would not be fairly using it if you then took those pictures and illustrated other articles with them - you'd have to provide a link. It wouldn't really be cheating, the current images would have to go anyway, but you'd end up with some material from the book. However . . . it would be a little cumbersome and the question of "how much is too much" would still exist in some ways. We can still ask the copyright holder (the company) for permission, but we would have to be exact in our request, since no one is going to grant carte blanche to use anything and everything from their work for free and with the Creative Commons License that might then attach in some way. Aholland 11:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cromium.jpg

Image:Cromium.jpg
This picture does not look like it was taken from Star Trek. In fact, it looks like it may have been stolen from a textbook. --OuroborosCobra 23:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ak2.gif

Image:AK2.gif and Image:Ak2.gif: Flag of Alaska, not from any Trek episode I've ever seen. --From Andoria with Love 03:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cellular regeneration and entertainment chamber.jpg

Image:Cellular regeneration and entertainment chamber.jpg
There is a higher quality version of this image that is virtually identical, only better. This image is also an orphan. --OuroborosCobra 04:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
It would help to also have a link to the "other" version. In any case, delete one or the other, depending on quality, file size, file name... -- Cid Highwind 11:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Here you go:

Image:Cellular entertainment.jpg

As you can see, the second is of much better quality. --OuroborosCobra 12:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Delete, crappy quality in comparison to the new image. --Jörg 12:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Delete the poor quality one. Aholland 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete initial nominated one. - AJ Halliwell 19:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
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