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In no way does {{TNG|The Measure Of A Man}} give us any clue that Riker's drink is Irish coffee. All we have is a cocoa-colored beverage. It could be coffee with cream, Bailey's and coffee, chai, a really black tea with cream, hot chocolate, or even [[raktajino]]. The article speaks of whipped cream, but there is only very debatable evidence of whipped cream. |
In no way does {{TNG|The Measure Of A Man}} give us any clue that Riker's drink is Irish coffee. All we have is a cocoa-colored beverage. It could be coffee with cream, Bailey's and coffee, chai, a really black tea with cream, hot chocolate, or even [[raktajino]]. The article speaks of whipped cream, but there is only very debatable evidence of whipped cream. |
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| − | Since there is no dialogue or computer screen to draw from, we're left only with visual evidence. And it really could be ''any'' light brown beverage. I even think it could even just be chocolate milk. Maybe the new super HD version of this episode will reveal differently, but on my copy, there's not even clear evidence of steam on the glass, which means it could well be a cold beverage. Given that Riker's presumably on duty, it makes more sense to assert that he's drinkin' Yoohoo from a glass mug than that he's knockin' back whisky. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{ |
+ | Since there is no dialogue or computer screen to draw from, we're left only with visual evidence. And it really could be ''any'' light brown beverage. I even think it could even just be chocolate milk. Maybe the new super HD version of this episode will reveal differently, but on my copy, there's not even clear evidence of steam on the glass, which means it could well be a cold beverage. Given that Riker's presumably on duty, it makes more sense to assert that he's drinkin' Yoohoo from a glass mug than that he's knockin' back whisky. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:27: Sun 10 Jun 2012 </span> |
== Discussion == |
== Discussion == |
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*Provisional '''delete'''. I scanned the script and did not see the term used, so unless there is some permitted source for calling the beverage that, I support deletion. [[User:31dot|31dot]] 21:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC) |
*Provisional '''delete'''. I scanned the script and did not see the term used, so unless there is some permitted source for calling the beverage that, I support deletion. [[User:31dot|31dot]] 21:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC) |
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*Might be worth merging the histories into [[coffee]], leaving the redirect (since it seems to be called "Irish coffee" at a number of sites on that Google thing). -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] 22:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC) |
*Might be worth merging the histories into [[coffee]], leaving the redirect (since it seems to be called "Irish coffee" at a number of sites on that Google thing). -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] 22:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | But if it's not called "Irish coffee" in the episode, what do the Google results matter? Even retaining the redirect perpetuates a myth. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{ |
+ | But if it's not called "Irish coffee" in the episode, what do the Google results matter? Even retaining the redirect perpetuates a myth. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">12:39: Mon 11 Jun 2012 </span> |
:What users might look for matters, even if it isn't correct. It could even help to correct the "myth" when users looking for the term find that it wasn't used. [[User:31dot|31dot]] 16:03, June 11, 2012 (UTC) |
:What users might look for matters, even if it isn't correct. It could even help to correct the "myth" when users looking for the term find that it wasn't used. [[User:31dot|31dot]] 16:03, June 11, 2012 (UTC) |
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I am going to '''delete''' the page, as there isn't really a clear consensus on a merge target for this page. If there is agreement on it later, this can be undeleted and merged. [[User:31dot|31dot]] ([[User talk:31dot|talk]]) 11:23, August 19, 2012 (UTC) |
I am going to '''delete''' the page, as there isn't really a clear consensus on a merge target for this page. If there is agreement on it later, this can be undeleted and merged. [[User:31dot|31dot]] ([[User talk:31dot|talk]]) 11:23, August 19, 2012 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 12:55, 15 September 2013
This is a page to discuss the suggestion to delete "Irish coffee".
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Deletion rationale
In no way does TNG: "The Measure Of A Man" give us any clue that Riker's drink is Irish coffee. All we have is a cocoa-colored beverage. It could be coffee with cream, Bailey's and coffee, chai, a really black tea with cream, hot chocolate, or even raktajino. The article speaks of whipped cream, but there is only very debatable evidence of whipped cream.
Since there is no dialogue or computer screen to draw from, we're left only with visual evidence. And it really could be any light brown beverage. I even think it could even just be chocolate milk. Maybe the new super HD version of this episode will reveal differently, but on my copy, there's not even clear evidence of steam on the glass, which means it could well be a cold beverage. Given that Riker's presumably on duty, it makes more sense to assert that he's drinkin' Yoohoo from a glass mug than that he's knockin' back whisky.
czechout ☎ ✍ <span style="">21:27: Sun 10 Jun 2012
Discussion
- Provisional delete. I scanned the script and did not see the term used, so unless there is some permitted source for calling the beverage that, I support deletion. 31dot 21:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Might be worth merging the histories into coffee, leaving the redirect (since it seems to be called "Irish coffee" at a number of sites on that Google thing). -- sulfur 22:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
But if it's not called "Irish coffee" in the episode, what do the Google results matter? Even retaining the redirect perpetuates a myth.
czechout ☎ ✍ <span style="">12:39: Mon 11 Jun 2012
- What users might look for matters, even if it isn't correct. It could even help to correct the "myth" when users looking for the term find that it wasn't used. 31dot 16:03, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Why "Drink"? Coffee makes much more sense. Drink is a list of drinks. -- sulfur 23:32, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'll now support a merge with drink. 31dot 13:54, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Again -- "drink" is a _list_ page. Not a descriptor page. If anything, it should go onto an "unnamed drinks" page. Having said that, common sense suggests it go onto "coffee" or "hot chocolate", whatever he typically has that he drinks like that. Since it is currently at "Irish coffee", "coffee" makes more sense. -- sulfur 15:43, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe it could go to an unnamed drinks page, but I don't think it should go to coffee or hot cocoa- as CzechOut said, we have no idea what it is; it could be coffee, hot cocoa, raktajino, yoohoo, or some other type of alien or future beverage. 31dot 15:47, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
Admin resolution
I am going to delete the page, as there isn't really a clear consensus on a merge target for this page. If there is agreement on it later, this can be undeleted and merged. 31dot (talk) 11:23, August 19, 2012 (UTC)