Memory Alpha:Pages for deletion/Microgravity

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Deletion rationale

I really think this is going too far. We can't just divine information from a patch other than what was clearly visible on the patch. These patch related pages should all be merged into one page with a single statement. Seriously. It would be like creating an article for Neville Isdell because he happened to be president of Coca Cola at the time when the crew of the Enterprise went back in time to rescue the whales and we happen to see that can of diet coke in the fridge. That's how related all these patch articles are. It's getting ridiculous. — Morder 09:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Yes, this "circumstantial canon" thing is just not enough. If we had an on-screen reference to "microgravity", we could eventually keep the rest as background info - but without, delete. -- Cid Highwind 13:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• I have to agree. I've felt for some time now that the information "gleaned" (or inferred) from these patches has gotten way out of control. How do we know that in the Trek universe the "Schirra" on a mission patch was Wally Schirra, and not, say, Wilber Schirra (or even Wilma Schirra)? We studiously avoid extrapolating everywhere else, so why are we doing it here? Yes, those are actual NASA mission patches, and yes, the writers, etc. were implying a continuity between the NX program and past (real-world) space missions, but none of that extraneous information was on-screen or in dialogue. This whole mess is ridiculous, in my opinion... there's no way we can justify a Teacher in Space Project article, or most of the others, from what's on those patches.</rant> -- Renegade54 13:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
• For the record there is a Microgravity lab referenced in ENT: "Cogenitor". (All that's stated is that Calla works in it though) — Morder 14:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. – Tom 14:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
• We have a problem gentlemen. Let's take a simple case. There is a picture of an elder man in the time stream seen in Shockwave giving an oath. The author writes this is Ronald Reagan taking the oath of office. Using your argument, Renegade54, since this man is not named in the canon and Star Trek history is different from our history, this man may not not even be Ronald Reagan. So, do we write a fictional article identifying this man, tying him to canon, or do we dismiss what we see? Do we really want to scour this site for all articles which are so thinly connected to the canon? There are many more examples - Norman Schwarzkopf, Bush 41, World Trade Center, DC-3, P-51 Mustang, Chevrolet Corvette, so on, so on. I kept to the canon and to precedent. My advice is this, the real world has intruded into the canonical world, and our job is to simply record them. If the reader wants to read more, we direct them to an outside resource.– Airtram3 14:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
• In principle, I agree. I've never felt entirely comfortable with those extrapolations, either. But in those cases, we at least have a photo of the person or object in question. Yes, the picture could be of Richard Reagan rather than Ronald Reagan, but there's a photo. Here, we're extrapolating large amounts of information from a background photo of a mission patch, typically with only last names and a mission number or name. This several steps beyond even the information taken from the Enterprise opening sequence pictures, in my opinion. Where do we stop, then? Do we play seven degrees with this? -- Renegade54 14:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)