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The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_%28rank%29 mentions
 
The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_%28rank%29 mentions
<blockquote>The rank of Commodore was at first a position created as a temporary title to be bestowed upon Captains who commanded squadrons of more than one vessel. In many navies, the rank of Commodore was merely viewed as a Senior Captain position, whereas other naval services bestowed upon the rank of Commodore the prestige of flag officer status. In the Royal Navy, the position was introduced to combat the cost of appointing more Admirals - a costly business with a fleet as large as the Royal Navy's at that time.</blockqoute>
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<blockquote>The rank of Commodore was at first a position created as a temporary title to be bestowed upon Captains who commanded squadrons of more than one vessel. In many navies, the rank of Commodore was merely viewed as a Senior Captain position, whereas other naval services bestowed upon the rank of Commodore the prestige of flag officer status. In the Royal Navy, the position was introduced to combat the cost of appointing more Admirals - a costly business with a fleet as large as the Royal Navy's at that time.</blockquote>
   
The US Navy did for a while have Commodore as a seperate rank, but that was later dropped. That rank was actually a contraction of Commodore Admiral. Currently, Commodore is only a job title and not a rank.
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The US Navy did for a while have Commodore as a seperate rank, but that was later dropped. That rank was actually a contraction of Commodore Admiral. Currently, Commodore is only a job title and not a rank.--[[User:Will Pittenger|Will]] 05:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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The term "Full admiral" sounds completely made up. If we have a problem with two articles named Admiral, they should be followed by a parenthesized qualifier. Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 05:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe the term is legitimate. The articles have been separated like this for a long time and no one complained. Federation 05:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • external reference to use of full admiral
    • Yes, but an external source isn't really a valid citation. To use the terminology "full admiral", that term would have had to have been mentioned on Star Trek -- and it hasn't. -- Captain M.K.B. 13:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Neither has the term "Admiral (rank)" or any other such variation. I think the real life term does provide a good enough basis for the name given that these ranks are based on actual naval ranks and given that we need a separate article for full admiral than abstract admiral. I think its awfully confusing to have the full admiral article deal with the abstract rank of admiral, unless you want to name this article to "admiral" and the other one to "admiral (abstract)" or something along those lines. Federation 00:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
If you read the naming standards in the manual of style you'll notice we prefer to use qualifiers over made-up names. Jaz talkFile:United Federation of Planets logo.png 00:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps move info about one to Admiral (Starfleet) and use it to refer only to the Starfleet officers specifically referred to as "full" admirals (TNG 4-pip) as they are the smaller group. Any other admiral could be referred to by the "admiral" article, which would contain a disambiguation about the 4 or 5 specific admiral grades, as only Starfleet has used them. -- Captain M.K.B. 00:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Yikes! This is getting pretty ugly. Are you sure that full admiral was never used in canon? I'd had preferred if this article were called admiral and the general one was qualified. Federation 00:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Commodore in the US Navy is not a rank

It is a title. Commodores hold the rank of Captain. If you read the Hornblower novels, you can see the difference. In Commodore Hornblower, Horblower becomes a "Captain with a Captain" under him, or a "Commodore 1st Rank."

The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_%28rank%29 mentions

The rank of Commodore was at first a position created as a temporary title to be bestowed upon Captains who commanded squadrons of more than one vessel. In many navies, the rank of Commodore was merely viewed as a Senior Captain position, whereas other naval services bestowed upon the rank of Commodore the prestige of flag officer status. In the Royal Navy, the position was introduced to combat the cost of appointing more Admirals - a costly business with a fleet as large as the Royal Navy's at that time.

The US Navy did for a while have Commodore as a seperate rank, but that was later dropped. That rank was actually a contraction of Commodore Admiral. Currently, Commodore is only a job title and not a rank.--Will 05:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)