Talk:Auto-destruct/archive

References

I added References to the Constitution, Galaxy and Sovereign classes, but I don't know in which certain episodes the others were mentioned.

What episode (presumably DS9) do we see Defiant's destruct sequence? Reference needed... Thanks for adding reference.

Methods of Destruct For Each Class?

Could it be determined which methods of self-destruct are used for each class? In ST:TMP Kirk orders preparations for self-destruct and Scotty explains that "when that much matter and anti-maitter come together" the explosion would kill V'Ger. This, to me, suggests that the Constitution refit class uses a core breach. But in ST:TSFS we see a drawn-out sequence of explosions which suggests no core breach but instead demolition charges.

Of course the question, I think, is largely academic since the core will breach by cause of demolition charges anyhow. -Andrew 1-7-05 17:21 PST

On TSFS the destruct sequence was used to dispose of the Klingons and was therefore more drawn out to make it more exciting. Personally I found it much more entertaining than the boring white "poof" that Voyager went up in in that episode where the ship got cloned.-????

I think in the TNG Technical Manual it says the Ent-D has matter/antimatter charges spread throughout the ship. Perhaps this is the sort of demolition seen in TSfS, though it didn't seem very successful at destroying every salvageable part of the ship. But according to Scott's Guide, there are two different methods of self destruction on the Connie Refit, one of which is designed not to damage nearby ships. Maybe Kirk set the 1701 to blow up enough to take out the Klingons, but not so much that they'd lose their escape ship home(Kruge's BoP)--Pearse 18:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I ever saw it stated anywhere official (or if it was just a possibility that came up in discussion with friends), but it's also possible that part of the reason for the lack of complete destruction of the 1701 over the Genesis Planet may have been that the damage to the ship, which knocked out the relays, accordingly may have not had the self destruct command transmitted to ALL of the (presumed) demolition charges on the ship... --umrguy42 04:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Destruct Sequence Codes and Sequence Omega

I would think that destruct methods and codes would be standard throughout the fleet. If ship is found abandoned, and it's in danger of falling into enemy hands, any command crew in the fleet would need to be able to implement the sequence. In other words, having senior officers that the ship's computer recognizes as having a sufficent security clearence could walk onto any ship in the fleet, and give the proper codes for self destruct. As for Nemesis, Picard specifies "Destruct Sequence Omega". This seems (to me) to be a special security sequence that one could/would use in a case where three officers (of sufficent security clearence) are not on the bridge. Or perhaps Sequence Omega is an immediate destruct order. Implement it, and the ship blows up instantly. I imagine this would be a useful sequence to use in battle, as Picard tried to do. Picard felt the Enterprise was lost, and indeed it was only a matter of time until Shinzon finished her off. But Picard was going to be damned before he let Shinzon get away, and said "If I'm going so are you". Had the Enterprise destructed at that range, she surely would have taken the Scimitar with her. Pure speculation here, but perhaps the idea for this sequence even came out of The Search for Spock.

All this is my humble opinion of course.

Dovid--Dovm 05:16, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Computer Logs

References duplicated from redundant pages. I haven't deleted them, but redirects are recommended. "Black box" references still need tightening up.--Mike Nobody 13:18, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nemesis Destruct Protocol and Sequence

Greetings, the article on the Sovereign class destruct sequence states that the Auto-destruct from Star Trek Nemesis did not occur because the computer was offline. I do not recall there being a statement that the auto-destruct would not work due to the computer offline, but it is more likely due to the Scimitar's continuous shots straining the warp core. Also, on another note, to prevent confusion to the user who made the note, I removed the note on Picard saying "Data, I need you" for needing to activate the auto-destruct sequence, as Riker would be the next in line for the activation and that I don't even recall Picard saying it, just sighing. - Adm. Enzo Aquarius 03:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Destruct Sequence Omega

Could Destruct Sequence Omega not be an extreme-measures protocol involving the Omega Particle? It probably wouldn't take much for an Omega Particle to be replicated without paying any attention to stability, in order to completely savage the ship and everything within a certain radius - for example a Reman Predator and planet killer.

Doubtful. Based on the information available from VOY: "The Omega Directive" the Omega particle was so top secret that if the element was found by sensors the entire ship basically locked up. Only the Captain could release the controls. Additionally, its unlikely that Starfleet would ever permit the use of a device that will disrupt subspace across a light-year, preventing warp travel (Omega molecule), simply to destroy a ship. -- Kooky 04:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Computer effect

The TNG tech manual notes that a few milliseconds before detonation, a cascade failure and data erasure occur in all three of the ship's computer cores - it can be reasonably assumed that this occurs in all federation starships, as any surviving parts of the computer core could concievably contain sensitive information. 66.26.52.24 21:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

basics part1

in the voy episode basics part1 the computer says "unable to activate self destruct sequence due to damage to secondary command prosesors" could the primary command prosesors be used instead (if there are secondary ones then there would have to be primary ones)?

It's most likely that, as a safety precaution, both primary and secondary processors are required to activate the self-destruct sequence. --From Andoria with Love 20:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

De-Activation

There is absolutely nothing mentioned in any of these articles about how to deactivate the destruct sequence. In 11001001, it goes like this:

Picard: (lays hand on bridge computer console) "Cancel auto-destruct."

Computer: "Does the first officer agree?"

Riker: (laying hand on computer) "Affirmative"

Computer: "Auto-destruct cancelled."

It's also said in many episodes that the deactivation order can only be given from the main bridge. However, in Star Trek: First Contact, Data issued the deactivation order all by himself from a terminal in engineering.

There are a dozen contradictions here and none of them have been mentioned. Can someone assist in updating this article?

I think we're stuck with the contradictions as far as cannon allows. One could stretch a few of them and infer that some of the points were requirements of plot. Example, in TNG: "11001001" Picard & Riker went to Main Engineering. They were unsure about their ability to take control of the bridge, so they set the auto destruct there. With regards to USS Voyager, its possible that the computer was reprogrammed by the crew due to the lack of senior bridge officers that were members of Starfleet. As far as Voyager's crew, we had Janeway, Tuvok, and Kim who were Senior Officers still in Starfleet. If may have been determined that it was in the best interest that any Starfleet Senior Officer could activate the self-destruct unilaterally if the need arose. (Tom Paris was a Starfleet officer, however his reasons for being onboard were not initally part of the crew.)) (This is all pure speculation, having no basis in canon, and is only offered as one possible explanation for the seeming discontinuity of the auto-destruct system.) -- Kooky 04:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)