Talk:Chase Masterson

Age

Reverted anon edits - please discuss it here first before you add back your "text" since the only discussion on wikipedia involves anecdotal evidence. — Morder 00:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The 1963 date is, in and of itself, anecdotal evidence based upon a hoax. The Wiki discussion page lists other sites which have an entirely different birthdate. In the interest of accuracy, the birthdate should be removed or listed as questionable and re-directed to a discussion page.69.231.219.184 00:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Considering a majority of sites do, in fact, list the 63 as her birthdate, and the sites listed on your discussion link are user edited and thus, not usable, until proven otherwise it will stay. — Morder 00:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

A "majority of sites" referencing something is not a legitimate argument for including the information if the sites are user-contributed and/or reference a widely-believed hoax. The standard for including information in the bio of a living person is original source verifiability, of which there is none here.69.231.207.173 00:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. I did a little research...she was credited in the movie Confessions of a Serial Killer (1985) as a Blonde Prostitute...if she was born in 1973, as you claim, that would make her 12 when she performed that roll...I find that highly unlikely therefore she was most likely 22 which would make her born in 1963. — Morder 00:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not claim she was born in 1973, only that the '63 date is unverified.69.231.207.173 00:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Correction: The link you gave states possibly 1973 based purely on anecdotal evidence which isn't enough to change this particular entry. And I have yet to see evidence of this "hoax". It will stay until proven otherwise. Unless you have evidence to the contrary the current date will be accepted as it was added by a regular contributor. — Morder 00:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The hoax is well-documented here. Please do your research before implying that the online hoax did not occur. Remember, maintain a neutral POV.69.231.215.156 09:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I did not imply anything. Nobody posted that evidence which, by default, means i haven't seen any evidence. I will not do research to verify your claims you must prove yours. Until someone can add more to this discussion it's pretty much pointless and I will not continue. — Morder 17:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC) By the way wikipedia is not a source for your hoax as well as the fact that the "hoax" was only added recently, by a similar ip address thus can't be used in this discussion. If you show a court document stating that the dob was fabricated then that can be used but the links on wikipedia linking to the court documents are not available and thus also can't be used...there isn't much evidence that there's a hoax. — Morder 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Morder is quite correct. It is not our job to research your claims, especially when you provide no alternative to what is posted. Your arguments might have more weight if you provided both evidence of what you claim and a possible alternative. I would have to say that I haven't seen anything to convince me that the current date is incorrect, and Morder has provided evidence that would seem to suggest that it is correct.--31dot 19:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Alan has done some more research and found that she was in college in 1984 and 1985 [1] [2] [3]. Her University apparently also lists her dob as 1963. [4] We know she did go to UT Austin [5] [6]. Blockbuster.com also lists her dob as 1963 as a trivia question. VH1 also lists 1963 as her dob...so considering her college info I would say her dob is 1963. Anyway, I think this is enough for now. — Morder 19:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

She was also nude in the film Songwriter (1984) which means she needed to be at least 18 at the time of that film. — Morder 21:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I have temporarily protected this page due to continued changes to the birthdate.--31dot 12:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

If you check Morder's reference to her University of Austin page, it quotes her as saying she's been a full-time actress for 14 years since graduation. Assuming she didn't graduate and do something else for ten years, that'd make her in her 20s in the 90s. Moreover, the IMDB entries list her as "child prostitute" in a 1985 film and "little girl in bed" in "Songwriter." Moreover, I've seen "Songwriter" - she was most certainly a child in that film. I suggest the 1973 birth year stands. --24.141.167.205 12:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Unlikely. If that was true, it is child pornography and thus illegal.--31dot 12:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It would be, if she actually got naked in the film. The only reference I can find to her being nude in that film is the "Mr. Skin" site -- hardly a reference-worthy source. Having seen the film? Not naked. Sorry, Mr. Skin! --24.141.167.205 12:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

So we shouldn't believe that website, but we should believe yours...............--31dot 12:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The IMDB is a significantly more credible source than a porn site. More to the point -- if a naked screen capture of a Trek actress existed, we'd be able to find it with Google Images. Looked for it. Can't find it. Very likely doesn't exist. --24.141.167.205 12:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

That was not my point. My point was you are asking us to disbelieve evidence against your claim from websites but are asking us to believe evidence from your websites which supports you. The burden of proof is on you to provide better information than what we have and simply providing other websites when there is a known dispute over this information is not persuasive.--31dot 13:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)