The Founders are a subset of the larger Changeling race. While all Founders are Changelings, not all Changelings are Founders. Until the end of the Dominion war, Odo did not consider himself a Founder, and neither did Laas - that doesn't mean they weren't still Changelings.
Also, the fact that the Founders founded the Dominion cannot be disputed so "consider themselves to be" isn't the best choice of words. Alex Peckover 15:52, Jun 2, 2004 (CEST)
Naming conventions
According to the guidelines shouldn't this page and Founder be swapped? - Avron 06:46, 19 Jun 2004 (CEST)
- Agreed, why are the Founders allowed to be plural whereas everything else is referred to in the singular form? --Gvsualan 09:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I guess this just has been forgotten... Moved now. -- Cid Highwind 09:46, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This page is NOT canonical
I'll correct it after I finish DS9: Search II Slamlander 14:29, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- "Canonnonical" is not even a word. And aside from improperly noting that on the page, would you care to specify what you believe is not canon? If anything, it may be inaccurate, but again, please specify so that others can understand what you are attempting to communicate. --Alan del Beccio 16:29, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- The paragraph which Slamlander pointed out as "contradicting canon" does not contradict canon, nor is it inaccurate, as the information was taken from the episodes cited. --From Andoria with Love 20:00, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- That paragraph is entirely incorrect. I just wrote the entire Search II page, with the help of the episode tape (I own the entire set). I just finished it and will now correct this page. Slamlander 20:52, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, changing whatever you think is wrong may be more prudent, for at least if someone reverted it then you could start a dialogue. Also please be a little more polite about spelling. I more than anyone know how difficult it is... Makon 21:05, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- I didn't do it earlier because I was still writing the Search II page. However, that it now completed and I have also complete corrections to this page. BTW, how are you polite with spelling? Please peruse, review, mangle, and dangle at will. Slamlander 21:33, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I still do not see anything non-canonical about the previous version. In fact, if anything, it was just incomplete -- which is a far cry from non-canon. --Alan del Beccio 23:02, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed. It seems all he did was expand on the previous info. --From Andoria with Love 01:30, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- If you don't see a huge difference between "But, after awhile they became distraught by ways of the "solids", so they began to believe that they must rule the galaxy to save the solids from themselves." and what is there now then I won't carry this discussion further. The whole issue is about underlaying intent. Not only did the previous version mislead the motives behind the Dominion War, it painted the founders of being some sort of misunderstood benevolent beings. The founders are not simply misunderstood and they were not even close to being benevolent. In fact, the only thing that stopped them from performing mass genocide, of all other races, was the impracticality of doing so with the resources that they had. The founders, perhaps due to the prior persecution, were extreme xenophobes. Evenso, because I was working quickly and I wanted to make a smooth fit with what was already there, I didn't do the edits as thoroughly as I think it really merits.