Talk:Morgan Bateson

First Contact

Is Bateson's captaincy of the Bozeman in Star Trek: First Contact canon ? IIRC we do not see the Bozeman during the battle. Alex Peckover 14:07, Jul 22, 2004 (CEST)

I believe the Bozeman was mentioned amid the comm-chatter reporting the battle on Enterprise. -- Redge 14:12, 22 Jul 2004 (CEST)

Yes, but that does not mean it was the same Bozeman, or that it was under Bateson's command. As I found out with the Shelby article, we always have information that we know is accurate but isn't backed up by canon sources. Alex Peckover 14:24, Jul 22, 2004 (CEST)

Except that Kelsey Grammer was featured in that com chatter (I think it was him who acknowledged the order to Defiant and Bozeman). -- Michael Warren 14:50, 22 Jul 2004 (CEST)

WAS Kelsey's voice among the comm chatter? I've heard numberous sources for and against this. While I'd like to believe they did, frankly, I'm a tad skeptical that they would bring back such a recognized actor for brief uncredited voice work and make little or no note of it in behind-the-scenes sources. --T smitts 04:47, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)-

Unless there is hard evidence to support it, I think we have to assume that Kelsey Grammer did not actually appear as an uncredited voice in FC. -- Defstar 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the following:

The Bozeman was kept in service however, and Bateson remained captain in Starfleet until at least 2373, when he helped fight the Borg cube that invaded the Sol Sector in the Battle of Sector 001. (Star Trek: First Contact)

Based on the following taken from Battle of Sector 001:

Although some fans claim to hear Captain Morgan Bateson and Uhura in the comm chatter, Ronald D. Moore has stated [1] "as far as I know there are NO "voice cameos" in this sequence."

This seems to me to be more definitive than "It sounded like him" or "I'm pretty sure it was his voice"; which of course is all speculation, unless someone can get a quote from Kelsey. --Alan del Beccio 06:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I know that this isn't really helpful but for the mention of Bozemen, go to 07:33 and for the aknowledgement, 07:35 on the first contact DVD. I am not trying to add the info to the article, just letting people know where they can go to hear the "evidence" for themselves 202.7.166.167 10:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Time in causality loop?

The episode "Cause and effect" suggests that the temporal causality loop was caused by the destruction of the Enterprise-D, which subsequently repeated itself over and over. Wouldn't this imply that the Bozeman first traveled 90 years into the future through the phenomenon and then got caught in the loop by colliding with the Enterprise? (I don't see what else could have caused the loop before the Enterprise arrived. Also, captain Bateson sounds awfully surprised for a man who's been experiencing Beverly-esque deja vu's for 90 years...) -- Defstar 03:33, Dec 23, 2004 (CET)

I don't see that implication. The temporal causality loop was ended by the Enterprise-D. The Bozeman was in the same cycle over and over for 90 years until the Enterprise-D essentially got in its way and disrupted the loop. Next thing Starfleet knows, it has a brand new 90-year old ship added to the fleet. --Gvsualan 04:25, 23 Dec 2004 (CET)

Actually, I think Defstar is right. The Bozeman travels through the blue thingy, which is a straightforward time warp, and then collides with the Ent-D, beginning the causality loop. The Bozeman can't have trapped in the loop for ninety years, as ninety years ago, there was no Ent-D to crash into and cause the loop to continuously restart. The Bozeman's only been in the loop for a couple weeks, just like the Ent. Bad luck for the ship to hit two temporal whatsits in a row, but hey. -- Steve 05:20, 23 Dec 2004 (CET)

I'm not even sure the Bozeman has been in the loop for a couple of weeks. In each repetition, the Bozeman emerged out of the "blue thingy" (lovely description for a highly localized distortion in the space-time continuum :P) only minutes before the end of the loop. Each time the loop restarts, the Bozeman isn't there yet: it gets timewarped to a specific point in time (just after the arrival of the Enterprise at the blue thingy), which is repeated a number of times. This means that they can't have been in the loop for more than an hour or so, from their perspective. -- Defstar 02:06, Jan 4, 2005 (CET)

I have finally - after two years :P - adjusted the article to correspond with the conclusion reached above. Defstar 02:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)