Talk:Starfleet/archive

I think that a lot of the original text concerning Starfleet was confusing the Earth Starfleet's purpose and values with those of the Federation Starfleet. In Enterprise, it seems that Archer was never picked for his diplomatic skills at all -- witness his brief meeting with Ambassador Soval in the sickbay in "Broken Bow," for example. It seems to me that Earth's Starfleet is simply busy developing its technologies at this time, and providing some limited defense functions against low-level threats to whatever close-by colonies they've established.

As for diplomacy and other high-sounding morals, I think that those are what Captain Archer is developing as he goes along. Certainly, his point of view will have some important effects when he gets back and can start guiding the next generations of explorers, but for now, Earth's Starfleet seems to be much more practical. -- MinutiaeMan 08:17, 23 Dec 2003 (PST)

Earth Starfleet was chartered in Jonathan Archer's lifetime as revealed in the ENT episode "Horizon". Jean Prouvaire 07:11, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Add Admiral Douglas from TATV

Reverted edit

I just reverted the last edit by Mike Nobody, which basically consisted of random speculation, and, for some bizarre reason, the pasting of the content of Starfleet into the article. I'm not entirely sure what his purpose was in doing so, but it certainly didn't strike me as being particularly improving in its content. -- Michael Warren | Talk 13:47, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• I was attempting to combine Starfleet into one category, with "before" and "after" Federation areas. I floated the idea on the talk page some time ago with no response. Instead of page hopping between Earth and Federation Starfleet, I wanted to unify it into a cohesive timeline of sorts. So, anyone who typed "Starfleet" would have a nice clear point to explore the subject.--Mike Nobody 13:59, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Why Earth's Starfleet and Starfleet are not the same, Starfleet is Earth, Vulcan, Andorian, et.al after the Federation is chartered Earth's Starfleet is "decomitioned" and most if not all of it's ships are retired, otherwise Enterprise NX-01 should have been refitted with a Warp 7 engine and returned to active duty, not placed storage. the ship was only 10 years old in TATV, Kirk's ship (the 1st one) lasted for 40 years.

Wasn't it stated that the NX could not go faster then 5 due to the design? Something in E2 was said to that I think. Terran Officer 22:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been stated through the series that the engine was only built for speeds up to warp 5, and in episodes where it reached that speed, it caused tremendous strain on the ship's hull. I think the highest the ship ever traveled was 5.2 (in either "The Augments" or "Affliction"/"Divergence", I forget which – likely the latter). In "E2", it was revealed that the ship could be travel at warp 6.9, but that was only after the plasma injectors were upgrade with advanced technology developed on the alternate Enterprise over a period of 118 years. However, the plasma injectors on the alternate Enterprise were too old to handle the strain of such a high warp factor. --From Andoria with Love 06:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Ad Astra Per Aspera

Translation please. --AC84 01:38, 22 March 2006 (PST) -"To the stars through difficulty" This starfleet motto originated from a plaque on the launchpad of the Apollo 1 spacecraft. During launch the craft was destroyed by fire, tragically killing the crew.

Why separate from Starfleet?

I'm not sure I entirely understand why this article is separate from the one on the Federation Starfleet. The two Starfleets are indivisible, as one directly begat the other. That's sort of the whole narrative point of Enterprise.

It seems vaguely similar to saying there are two United States — one pre-Constitution and one post-Constitution. Was someone born in the Articles of Confederation years less a United States citizen than someone born after the Consitution was ratified? Would the NX-01 crew not have retained their rank in the Federation Starfleet? Clearly, the implication of the finale of Enterprise is that Riker and Troi viewed the NX-01 as the "first" Enterprise in the Federation Starfleet family of Enterprises, so why are we laboring to maintain a separation?

If one is trying to write with precision, and one is speaking of "the first _______" in Starfleet history, one currently has to link to two separate articles. This just seems awfully cumbersome, and maybe even anti-canonical. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 13:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Because Earth Starfleet is Earth Starfleet. The Federation Starfleet is not just a continuation of Earth Starfleet, but either an amalgamation of the founding member's forces or a completely new creation. There are also many differences, such as ranks, protocols, organisation etc. - Mada101 19:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Naming

I am curious, while it is often called "Starfleet", if the actual name of the organization is officially "Earth Starfleet" why is the page not named so? That term currently redirects here, and it's not anything I ever really paid attention to until suddenly a few moments ago. Is this to allow for the fact of how often it's referred to as "Starfleet"? --Terran Officer 21:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

When was it "officially" referred to as "Earth Starfleet"? --Alan del Beccio 22:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)