Talk: Starfleet uniform (mid2270s)

Revision as of 22:32, 7 January 2009

I don't really know how to re-edit this properly, but information from the "Star Trek: The Motion Picture Make Your Own Costumes book" published in 1979 says that Kirk's uniform in his Admiral scenes is for flag officers (not a dress uniform) and that the reason for the blue/beige division is that blue is for ranks of Lieutenant Commander and above, whereas beige is Lieutenant and below, with brown for enlisted officers. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.145.128.30.

But why did Lieutenant Commanders Sulu and Uhura wear beige and Lieutenant Ilia wear blue? I don't think we should re-edit this based on an obviously faulty source! -- Captain MKB 10:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Here are some comments from Robert Fletcher, the costume designer, from his preface to the aforementioned source: "Instead of having only one uniform (as on the series) we have a great range of them. We also have specific uniforms for specific functions, such as the protective suits that are worn in Engineering and special uniforms for the security guards and for the medical orderlies, plus other uniforms for specific, technical functions which are necessary aboard a starship.[...]The attitude on the Enterprise is that people have a certain latitude in what uniforms to wear. Not everybody has to wear the same uniform on a given day. On take-offs, for instance, everybody wore what was called a Class A uniform, a more dressy, more formal uniform. But during the day to day running of the ship, we wanted the feeling that people could show up in Class B or Class C fatigues or jumpsuits when they were engaged in some kind of nitty-gritty physical labor." Later, from the book's introduction: "Given the limit that all crew members are dressed in uniforms, subtle ways were found to create individual identities through costume. For example, while the other unfirms have round necklines, the neckline on Dr. McCoy's shirt is always V-shaped. This small detail is just enough to tell that McCoy is slightly different, slightly eccentric, his own man. [...]Mr. Spock also wears a different collar, a stand up collar, also worn under his Vulcan robes." --- As for the blue/beige distinction, on second check the book stipulates that COMMANDERS and above wear blue-grey and anything below is BEIGE, which, as you pointed out, STILL doesn't make any sense for Ilia. The book itself says Ilia wears beige, so this is obviously a faulty resource. 68.145.128.30 22:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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 I don't really know how to re-edit this properly, but information from the "Star Trek: The Motion Picture Make Your Own Costumes book" published in 1979 says that Kirk's uniform in his Admiral scenes is for flag officers (not a dress uniform) and that the reason for the blue/beige division is that blue is for ranks of Lieutenant Commander and above, whereas beige is Lieutenant and below, with brown for enlisted officers. {{unsigned-anon|68.145.128.30}}
 :But why did Lieutenant Commanders Sulu and Uhura wear beige and Lieutenant Ilia wear blue? I don't think we should re-edit this based on an obviously faulty source! -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain MKB]] 10:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
-:Here are some comments from Robert Fletcher, the costume designer, from his preface to the aforementioned source: "Instead of having only one uniform (as on the series) we have a great range of them. We also have specific uniforms for specific functions, such as the protective suits that are worn in Engineering and special uniforms for the security guards and for the medical orderlies, plus other uniforms for specific, technical functions which are necessary aboard a starship.[...]The attitude on the Enterprise is that people have a certain latitude in what uniforms to wear. Not everybody has to wear the same uniform on a given day. On take-offs, for instance, everybody wore what was called a Class A uniform, a more dressy, more formal uniform. But during the day to day running of the ship, we wanted the feeling that people could show up in Class B or Class C fatigues or jumpsuits when they were engaged in some kind of nitty-gritty physical labor." Later, from the book's introduction: "Given the limit that all crew members are dressed in uniforms, subtle ways were found to create individual identities through costume. For example, while the other unfirms have round necklines, the neckline on Dr. McCoy's shirt is always V-shaped. This small detail is just enough to tell that McCoy is slightly different, slightly eccentric, his own man. [...]Mr. Spock also wears a different collar, a stand up collar, also worn under his Vulcan robes." --- As for the blue/beige distinction, on second check the book stipulates that COMMANDERS and above wear blue-grey and anything below is BEIGE, which, as you pointed out, STILL doesn't make any sense for Ilia. The book itself says Ilia wears beige, so this is obviously a faulty resource. [[Special:Contributions/68.145.128.30|68.145.128.30]] 22:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
+Here are some comments from Robert Fletcher, the costume designer, from his preface to the aforementioned source: "Instead of having only one uniform (as on the series) we have a great range of them. We also have specific uniforms for specific functions, such as the protective suits that are worn in Engineering and special uniforms for the security guards and for the medical orderlies, plus other uniforms for specific, technical functions which are necessary aboard a starship.[...]The attitude on the Enterprise is that people have a certain latitude in what uniforms to wear. Not everybody has to wear the same uniform on a given day. On take-offs, for instance, everybody wore what was called a Class A uniform, a more dressy, more formal uniform. But during the day to day running of the ship, we wanted the feeling that people could show up in Class B or Class C fatigues or jumpsuits when they were engaged in some kind of nitty-gritty physical labor." Later, from the book's introduction: "Given the limit that all crew members are dressed in uniforms, subtle ways were found to create individual identities through costume. For example, while the other unfirms have round necklines, the neckline on Dr. McCoy's shirt is always V-shaped. This small detail is just enough to tell that McCoy is slightly different, slightly eccentric, his own man. [...]Mr. Spock also wears a different collar, a stand up collar, also worn under his Vulcan robes." --- As for the blue/beige distinction, on second check the book stipulates that COMMANDERS and above wear blue-grey and anything below is BEIGE, which, as you pointed out, STILL doesn't make any sense for Ilia. The book itself says Ilia wears beige, so this is obviously a faulty resource. [[Special:Contributions/68.145.128.30|68.145.128.30]] 22:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)