Talk: Time

Revision as of 15:35, 14 December 2005

PNA-cite necessary?

I don't think this page really needs the pna-cite message. The short explanation likely has no direct Trek reference, but this page is more important as a "hub page" linking to several aspects of temporal mechanics, time travel etc. that do have references. The introductory explanation could perhaps be shortened a little, but doesn't really hurt as-is. -- Cid Highwind 18:23, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Disagreement with non-canon facts

Sorry, but I disagree with the way the article explains time when comparing it to space. See, you CAN move left and right in space, but you are always moving a positive distance no matter what direction you travel. If you walk backwards 5 feet, the you have still travelled +5 feet from your original reference point. Not -5 feet, which is impossible. Time cannot be compared to motion, because motion is the changing of a piece of matter from one location in space to another. Time is just the observation of that change. Whether time runs forward or backward, the object itself is still moving a positive distance. Sorry if I made some of your heads explode, but that's just what I think. (edit)sorry forgot to include my sig --141.157.14.187 03:25, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

BANG!!! (Perhaps you could give us an alternative way to explain the whoe time/space comparing thing? Or are you just saying remove it entirely?) --From Andoria with Love 09:44, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Well, according to current theories, time and space are one and the same, called "spacetime". It is basically a container for events that happen inside our own universe, such as the orbit of a planet, or clapping your hands, all happen within spacetime, with 2 properties associated with it: the location of the event in space, and the location of the event in time. Currently, it is not believed that time can flow "backwards", just as you cannot go "backwards" a negative distance from your original starting point. Time, like space, always moves in a positive direction. However, certain theories exist where this may be circumvented, such as wormholes. Wormholes allow you to travel great distances in normal space with no actual positive motion from your own reference point. The same can go for time. You cannot travel "backwards" in the normal sense through time, but you CAN "jump" to different parts of the timeline, whether they are in the past or future. So, I conclude that spacetime always moves forward, but you can jump to certain points within it. The only other way I know where time travel would be possible (into the future only, again, never backwards) is if you were accelerated close to the speed of light and experienced time dilation as put forth by Einstein. --141.157.14.187 15:35, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

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 Sorry, but I disagree with the way the article explains time when comparing it to space.  See, you CAN move left and right in space, but you are always moving a positive distance no matter what direction you travel.  If you walk backwards 5 feet, the you have still travelled +5 feet from your original reference point.  Not -5 feet, which is impossible.  Time cannot be compared to motion, because motion is the changing of a piece of matter from one location in space to another.  Time is just the observation of that change.  Whether time runs forward or backward, the object itself is still moving a positive distance.  Sorry if I made some of your heads explode, but that's just what I think. (edit)sorry forgot to include my sig --[[User:141.157.14.187|141.157.14.187]] 03:25, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * '''''BANG!!!''''' (Perhaps you could give us an alternative way to explain the whoe time/space comparing thing? Or are you just saying remove it entirely?) --[[User:Shran|From Andoria with Love]] 09:44, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
+Well, according to current theories, time and space are one and the same, called "spacetime".  It is basically a container for events that happen inside our own universe, such as the orbit of a planet, or clapping your hands, all happen within spacetime, with 2 properties associated with it: the location of the event in space, and the location of the event in time.  Currently, it is not believed that time can flow "backwards", just as you cannot go "backwards" a negative distance from your original starting point.  Time, like space, always moves in a positive direction.
+However, certain theories exist where this may be circumvented, such as wormholes.  Wormholes allow you to travel great distances in normal space with no actual positive motion from your own reference point.  The same can go for time.  You cannot travel "backwards" in the normal sense through time, but you CAN "jump" to different parts of the timeline, whether they are in the past or future.
+So, I conclude  that spacetime always moves forward, but you can jump to certain points within it.  The only other way I know where time travel would be possible (into the future only, again, never backwards) is if you were accelerated close to the speed of light and experienced time dilation as put forth by Einstein. --[[User:141.157.14.187|141.157.14.187]] 15:35, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)