Nomination for Tuvix

For a one-time, character, this is remarkably well-written and descriptive in my opinion.--T smitts 21:43, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Support Tobyk777 02:44, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Support - Although the article reads a fraction like an episode summary, all information is relevant to the character. --Defiant | Talk 12:37, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Support - I was a little reserved at first for the same reason but it is really nicely written and covers all the bases.--Scimitar 14:34, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Object, he only appeared in one episode, and not even a good one, how can you object to Picard and support this guy. Cabal
- We have several examples of single appearance characters whose articles are featured (see: Telek R'Mor). We do not grade articles based on the quality of the episode the character appeared in, but on the quality of the article. I suggest that you please read and familiarize yourself with our featured article nomination policy. Thanks. --Alan del Beccio 22:38, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  - On the basis that Cabal's objection has invalid reasoning, should this nomination go back to the "without objections" section? That's like opposing (for argument's sake) an episode summary only because you didn't like the episode, even if it's written like something worthy of a Pullitzer Prize.--Scimitar 01:02, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    - I'm not sure we have any loopholes to refer to in this case. Policy states: "Votes for featured article candidates must be unanimous, or all objections must be resolved or withdrawn, before the nomination can be accepted and the article listed on the Featured Articles page." However, one note in our guidelines does note that the voter must: "Justify your objections. Don't just say you're opposed to the article being featured without giving a reason why you don't think the article should be featured. After all, without some sort of valid, actionable feedback, how can the article improve?" We may have to make some changes to our policies to account for ignorance. --Alan del Beccio 01:16, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Support, and you should look into our policy for nominating featured articles before voting. And Picard appeared in MANY episodes (a series!), which meant it was easier for him to be incomplete, missing the minor details acquired about the years. This page covers a character that appeared in one, and covers everything about that character in that one episode. - AJHalliwell 23:15, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Support, this was a great charactre and I'm glad that and artcle was written as well as this could be made for him.--Kahless 19:31, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Support, the user objecting has had time enough to retort. I say this be moved back up to the top. Jaf 00:46, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)Jaf

- Featured -- single opposition vote was unsupported nor did the user make any effort to contribute to improving the article, as per nomiation policies. --Alan del Beccio 05:50, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Revert

OuroborosCobra, please explain your revert. Data should not be removed from articles on MA. This is an attempt to document all relevant Trek info. Jaf 02:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Jaf

How is the "Homestead" episode related to the character? There's no reference listed on that episode's page at all to him, so logically if the character was mentioned, there should be at least a reciprocal link. Perhaps a mention of why that extra reference is there? I'm guessing that was O's reasonaing. -- Sulfur 02:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the Brax (Talaxian) article, Naomi brings it up. I have not seen the episode in a while, but that sounds familiar to me, I think it's accurate. Jaf 03:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Jaf

I did not remember that conversation. Before I removed the reference, I both checked the episode article, and a transcript of the episode. When I checked the transcript, I looked for the word "Tuvix" and it did not show up. I thought I made it clear enough in the summary of my revert that I felt the reference had nothing to do with this article. After seeing your response on Naomi, I did a search of the transcript for conversations with her, and found you to be correct. I apologize, I thought it was an incorrect reference, I was not trying to remove something valid. Nobody's perfect. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 03:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

In that case, we should also add the reference to the Homestead episode (I presume that was the episode where Naomi and Brax discussed it. I'll add that one in now that I've fixed all of the links that should have been to the episode that were to the character :) -- Sulfur 03:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It's possible she refers to the incident without naming the character. Does someone have the script handy? Jaf 03:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Jaf

I have the transcript, here is the quote:

NAOMI: And once, there was a transporter accident. Neelix and Commander Tuvok got combined to make a completely different person.

I missed it the first time because I did a word search for "Tuvix", which isn't there. When you said you thought there was a conversation with Noami, I was inspired to search for the word "transporter", and found that. As I said before, by bad. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 03:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

- this should be worked into the article or something. you've got this on the main page as a feature, but when you get to the article the second reference to the character is only an episode link. you have to come into the talk page to figure out what it is all about.

2 or 3?

The article says: "Only one molecular pattern rematerialized, and formed a healthy organism combining everything regarding Tuvok and Neelix, including organs, enzymes, and memories." Shouldn't this section (as well as any others) also reflect that their patterns were also combined with the orchids they had sampled? Isn't that why Tuvix's original uniform was all floral-patterned up top when he materialized? (And off the subject, what happened to the container the orchids were in? I can see the orchids being combined somehow, at least they're organic, but the container?) — THOR ^=/\= 17:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the floral pattern came from the outfit Neelix was wearing down on the planet. --The NCC Factor 18:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article say that the doctor was programed with the oath not that he swore an oath? I'm not a regular so I didn't want to change anything without asking?

Now this is a very interesting point. Should an EMH 'swear' the Hippocratic Oath when activated before it can actually function as an EMH or is programming the Oath enough? Is there any canon reference to this? -- Bakabaka 18:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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Wow - what a thorough bunch you all are. First off, I'm really impressed and secondly I don't know the proper form here, so I'm going to put my suggestion in and hope you receive it in the constructive spirit in which it is intended. Two separate organisms combined into a single creature like that, rather than being a hybrid (implying some kind of sexual creation as I understand it) would be a chimera. This should not be confused with a symbiotic organism where two separate creatures dwell within the same body, for mutual benefit.

Having read all the comments, it rather makes me wish I'd seen the episode... or any of the episodes, in fact.

Your point makes lot of sense scientifically. However:

- 'Hybrid' was the term used in the episode;

- A chimera is an organism that incorporates two or more different DNA patterns (like parasitic twins for example), while the article states that Tuvix had only one DNA pattern. Therefore, Tuvix wouldn't qualify as a chimera;

- A chimera has regions within its body 'governed' by one type of DNA and other regions 'governed' by the other. As Tuvix was half-Vulcan and half-Talaxian 'all over', he again doesn't qualify as a chimera, but as a hybrid.

All of this, of course, iirc :) -- Bakabaka 18:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Back story?

I wonder if there is a back story to this episode. For example was the actor who plays Neelix going to be unavailable for part of the filming thus necessitating this "fusion" story line? Any comments from the writers on the conception and motivation behind this story? (JimD --- doesn't have an account here yet).

Tuvix = Tuvok + Neelix + alien orchid...

...at the start of the episode. However, at the end, when Tuvix is split again, where did the alien orchid go? You're left with just Tuvok and Neelix, but the orchid seems to have completely vanished. What's going on here? Avengah 05:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Conservation of mass

How is it possible that, when Tuvok and Neelix merged, the amount of matter taken up was roughly the same as previously? The only way I can think of it being possible is if Tuvix was denser than Tuvok or Neelix. That is, mass(Tuvix) = mass(Tuvok) + mass(Neelix). However, that still leaves some questions about how to separate Tuvix's memories. If they were both given copies of the memories after they were separated, then wouldn't mass have been created? 206.248.191.97 21:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It's a TV show... --OuroborosCobra ^talk 22:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a discussion on Talk:Transporter duplicate about this. 198.49.180.40 22:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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